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Video Game Drama? NSFW (#GamerGate!)
« on: August 19, 2014, 08:41:55 AM »
I've never heard of this girl before.... she's a blogger or something in the game biz?  I don't know.. long story short, she they say cheated on her boyfriend with like 5 different guys and some were in the biz, so she slept around to make it.  Whatevs... if you're single,, hey, go for it.   But anyhoo.. I guess she is a model too?

http://www.brokendollz.com/dollz/doll_join_profile.php?iddoll=73
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First time poster here, so please correct me if I am in the wrong topic. Both Off-topic and Politics seemed like alright choices to me, since this is about feminism as well as the state of the video game industry.

So we have a woman, feminist Zoe Quinn, who was:
A Cheating on her boyfriend with 5 other men. This is horrible, of course, but not at the core of what I want to talk about. If it was just a girl cheating, this wouldn't warrant a political thread.
B Very principled about not sleeping with another man, considering it a form of rape to then sleep again with her husband, and being a staunch feminist in general, but being a total hypocrite about it.
C Slept with her boss, Joshua Bruggs and a Kotaku employee who reviewed her game, Nathan Grayson (!!!)
D Lied about lying about lying about lying.
E Literally abused Robin Williams death to get more attention for her game by saying she wouldnt milk Robin Williams death to get more attention to her game
F Urged her boyfriend to not use protection even when she was sleeping with other men, culminating in the fact she had sex with the guy just a day after she went down on her boss

And yet all video game outlets, from GiantBomb to Kotaku to Destructoid to the Escapist to Reddit all the way through to 4chan's /v/ do their continual best efforts to simply not bring this up, both in official outlets and, in the cases of GB and /v/, by deleting threads about it, or in the case of Reddit downvoting it and making the links not work. And yet the slightest statement by men that can be twisted against men is twisted against men. For example, what this same Zoe Quinn did by blaming Wizardchan of abusing her and getting everyone to defend her. Even though Wizardchan is a place filled with depressed people, the very same people she pretends to help with her game Depression Quest.

Why? Why does news that is obviously not just tangentially related to video games, but a scandal at the very core of the indie game industry, get blocked out by ALL news outlets? Just because it might paint feminists in a bad light? And more importantly, can we fix this? I'm all for equality and I therefore like an open debate, which can never happen if we keep pointing at female activists and their supporters as the knights in shining armor, and the other possible party as cis scum that needs to die because they're white men. I don't think that's very healthy nor very egalitarian.

Any thoughts from you guys? Agree? Disagree?

EDIT: Oh, and then there's the fact that the blog post by Nathan Grayson has apparently been taken down. They're seriously trying to hide it, from my point of view.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.858226-Zoe-Quinn-or-how-video-game-media-may-have-been-exposed-as-a-pro-feminist-hugbox

And then you can see the whole debacle here at this link.. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.858226-Zoe-Quinn-or-how-video-game-media-may-have-been-exposed-as-a-pro-feminist-hugbox

Such a wild story.  What are your guys thoughts?!?!?

http://kc-vidya-rants.tumblr.com/post/95004433478/zoe-quinns-kotaku-staff-cheating-scandal-and-how-she
« Last Edit: September 19, 2014, 06:55:02 AM by miDnIghtEr20C »



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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 10:08:39 AM »
she looks like a dude

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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2014, 11:48:20 AM »
Came to see a naked chick and wild sex story, left happy!

As for the other drama, seems like too much energy to read.

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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2014, 03:09:50 PM »
The worst part of it all is that she slept with them for the favorable reviews?  Is that what was going down too?  I don't care that she slept with a bunch of dudes, or cheated on her dude... whatever.  That stuff happens all the time.   That's her own Karma to live and deal with.

But having the reviewers of her own game be the ones... that's the shadiest part for me because that affects us, the buyer.   Oh, this game is good?  Well, no.. game sucks, but she gave a great blow job.   

Fuck that shit!

edit... I have found out that it wasn't for a review, but a piece on her and her game.  About the same difference though.  Like the dude having sex with her is going to say her or her game isn't that great.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2014, 03:15:39 PM by miDnIghtEr20C »

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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 03:08:18 PM »
It keeps getting better.  The gaming world on that side of things is in turmoil.. cover ups and craziness!






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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 04:12:33 PM »
 :smiley-sport029:

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In recent days I've been asked several times about a possible breach of ethics involving one of our reporters. While I believe no such breach occurred, I feel it is important for Kotaku readers who have questions to get clear answers.

The questions involve Nathan Grayson, who began writing for us part-time in March and joined us full-time in July.

The allegations have been extreme. Nathan has been accused of in some way trading positive coverage of a developer for the opportunity to sleep with her, of failing to disclose that he was in a romantic relationship with a developer he had written about, and that he'd given said developer's game a favorable review. All of those are troubling claims that we take seriously. All would be violations of the standards we maintain. Having spoken to Nathan several times, having looked closely at the numerous messages sent our way by concerned readers and, having compared published timelines, our leadership team finds no compelling evidence that any of that is true.

On March 31, Nathan published the only Kotaku article he's written involving Zoe Quinn. It was about Game Jam, a failed reality show that Zoe and other developers were upset about being on. At the time, Nathan and Zoe were professional acquaintances. He quoted blog posts written by Zoe and others involved in the show. Shortly after that, in early April, Nathan and Zoe began a romantic relationship. He has not written about her since. Nathan never reviewed Zoe Quinn's game Depression Quest, let alone gave it a favorable review.

Given the information available to us both from Nathan and all sources presented online, I have no reason to believe any further action need be taken. The situation is fraught for all involved, including our readers, whose trust is paramount; inquiry is always welcome.
http://kotaku.com/in-recent-days-ive-been-asked-several-times-about-a-pos-1624707346

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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2014, 06:29:32 AM »
This video is great and shows why this was or should of been news.  He owned so many people in this video.  This chick is just a liar and user imo.

« Last Edit: August 27, 2014, 07:44:27 AM by miDnIghtEr20C »

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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 07:15:45 PM »
I don't know what's happening. Apparently everyone has been duped by Zoe... or not... I'm so confused!!?!?!?!?!

I started paying attention when Adam Baldwin started tweeting about #GamerGate It just didn't make any sense why he would even care. Not at all in his NRA-Republican- 'Merica wheelhouse that he usually tweets about. Then all these journalists tweeting in peoples defense and then shit during PAX!?!?!?... fuck. See this link:

http://storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate

Again... WTF-Over!
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Re: Video Game Drama? NSFW
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 07:18:36 PM »
I heard that Dusto!   Some chick that chastised people for stuff is a huge hypocrite and then get's her games talked about by the people she sleeps with.   I think she's gotten what she's deserved.   

One of those, practice what you preach type of deals.

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The E-mails That Prove Video Games Journalism Must be Reformed
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2014, 06:28:41 AM »
So funny how corrupt the video game industry when it comes to this part of it is.  Love the groupthink that's going on with it.  If you don't think like them, then you're wrong.   Boy oh boy.. .sure sounds familiar.   :pickit:

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In light of our revelations about the secret gaming journalism mailing list GameJournoPros, few can doubt that damaging groupthink has taken hold of the video games journalism establishment.

But quite how absurdly close to their subjects some gaming journalists are has been laid bare in black and white thanks to the leak of hundreds of emails from this private mailing list, which has been used by some games industry journalists to aggressively influence the opinions, policies and reporting priorities of other publications.

The emails below, copied verbatim from a chain about games developer Zoe Quinn and shared with Breitbart London by a sympathetic source in the games industry, spell out in disturbing detail how gaming journalists threw objectivity out of the window and became cheerleaders for Quinn after it was revealed that she had started a sexual relationship with a journalist just days after she appeared in his reporting.

Not only did at least one of their number have sex with Quinn, but, in an astonishing breach of critical distance, games journalists can be seen in the leaked emails proposing that members of the list together to purchase her a "feel better" gift, and even a "signed letter of support." They call her ex-boyfriend, on whom Quinn cheated with five other men in the games industry, a "psychopath," asking why a VICE interview with him wasn't more hostile. 

In a long apology published today on Ars Technica, senior gaming editor Kyle Orland, who founded GameJournoPros four years ago, admitted that comments we drew attention to yesterday had been "an error in judgment." Orland was anxious to stress, contrary to our observations, that GameJournoPros is merely a discussion forum, and its existence does not indicate collusion.

But what emerges from closer inspection of the leaked emails is, if anything, more damning than allegations that journalists used it to reach consensus about breaking news. Dozens of prominent journalists in the gaming world are seemingly unaware of basic journalistic obligations and appear incompetent, unethical and confused.

"There is an ocean of distance between 'hi we're strangers and we're aware of your dirty laundry' and 'Hi, we're your colleagues, and we appreciate the work you do for our community. Illegitimi non carborundum'," writes Andrew Groen, a contributor to WIRED, seemingly unaware that Quinn is not a "colleague," but the subject of reporting. Describing Quinn as a colleague shows how paper-thin the barrier between reporter and reported has become.

The emails also show journalists reluctant to engage with questions of propriety. "As sympathetic as I am to the horrible harassment Zoe faced," writes Kotaku reporter Jason Schreier, "I think this incident has raised enough questions about the incestuous relationship between press and developers already."

Attempts to shut down enquiries in this way will strike most professional journalists, not to mention readers, as shocking. They demonstrate that the elite club of games bloggers and editors did not want to engage with allegations made by readers about their handling of the Zoe Quinn affair, perhaps for fear of what might surface.

Even after being exposed as conflicted, games journalists are still being less than straightforward about the extent of their collusion. In his apology today, Kyle Orland said, "No one else in the group took [my suggestions] seriously." That is not what the leaked emails show.

Breitbart London is today releasing a selection of emails further to the messages published yesterday that demonstrate how urgently reform is needed among journalists who cover an industry worth over $80 billion. The emails cover journalists whose writing appears in almost every major gaming outlet and many technology publications, including Polygon, Eurogamer, GameSpot, Joystiq, Kotaku and WIRED.

Readers will be left asking whether these writers and editors have any idea what journalists are for, what their obligations and responsibilities are, and why evidence of conflict of interest and collusion are so troubling to their audience.
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I had a thought. Maybe a bad one. You tell me: I remember a few years back when Patrick Klepek hit on some tough circumstances we all pitched in to get him a "feel better" gift. Anybody think something like that could be appropriate to address the circumstances that have been forced upon Zoe? Even if it's not monetary. Maybe a signed, joint letter of support from the Game Journo Pros. I know she's not a member of the group like Patrick was, but I do know that this is part of a broader theme of the industry losing talent to the toxic culture. And that's our business. In my mind, it's a joint show of solidarity to match the trolls' joint show of force ... The last thing I think we want is Zoe thinking she's under attack *alone.* The brain has a way of convincing you that silent people are against you.
Andrew Groen, WIRED contributor

As the person I'm going to assume is the most irrationally optimistic person here, I like this idea. Small bits of kindness can do a lot, even when found in oceans of shit.
Dan Starkey, Eurogamer, GameSpot, Joystiq, Kotaku

This is barely a game-industry story, no matter how some people want to frame it. This is a story about a person who happens to be in the game industry and their personal relationships (no matter how it may weave back into "the industry" and however poor the person's judgments may have been) and public expose of private materials by that person's partner as revenge, so I don't think we, as games press, should support furthering the story by commenting, editorializing or even allowing others to ruminate on it.
Andy Eddy

Who here hasn't slept with a PR person or game developer? #AMIRITE
William O'Neal, editor-in-chief, TechRadar.com

I like the signed letter of support idea. Even better if we can get some developers in on that. Anyone want to volunteer to draft something?
Kyle Orland, Ars Technica

I'd also suggest that - if others think the letter is a good idea - we should do this entirely under the radar, organizing it through word-of-mouth and email rather than Twitter. I made the mistake earlier of publicly voicing support and in doing so drawing more attention to the issue. I'd rather not make that mistake again.
Andrew Groen, WIRED contributor

As sympathetic as I am to the horrible harassment Zoe faced, I think this incident has raised enough questions about the incestuous relationship between press and developers already.
Jason Schreier, Kotaku

Silver lining: Quinn is getting a bunch of new Patreon patrons today, apparently.
Kyle Orland, Ars Technica

I would prefer not to be associated with this. It feels wrong to me. I think it feels very off to reach across the fence from journalist to subject in this way. I prefer professional distance, especially given the accusations being levied at us from outside.
Mike Futter, Game Informer
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/18/The-emails-that-prove-video-games-journalism-must-be-reformed

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